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Jul. 7th, 2005 @ 10:58 am (no subject)
More London bombing pondering and how it would be if it happened here.

I wonder, if there was another attack here if that would bring about a draft. What would terrorists have to do to make you support the war on terror, or possibly even enlist in the armed services to fight terrorists?

Our forces are under manned, and recruitement is just getting harder as Iraq drones on. I do expect a draft. Due to the unmber of non-combat positions needed to support the fighting force, part of me expects the draft to make the only restictions be, "are you over 18," and "can you pass the physical." The military has be come extremely technical over the years and it needs technical, educated profesional to support the troops. I suspect that a future draft would like to have a lot of 18-35 year old infrantry and a bunch of 35-50 years old doctors, engineers, communications, and comupter/networking experts.

If a draft comes and you are selected, would you serve or run?
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From:believe_in_me
Date:July 7th, 2005 06:23 pm (UTC)
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Our forces are under manned, and recruitement is just getting harder as Iraq drones on. Yeah recruitment in the Army and Marines is under by quite a bit. It has been for awhile though even prior to the war. I think its because so many people NOW (as opposed to before the 60's) are anti war.

I do expect a draft. Due to the unmber of non-combat positions needed to support the fighting force, part of me expects the draft to make the only restictions be, "are you over 18," and "can you pass the physical." The military has be come extremely technical over the years and it needs technical, educated profesional to support the troops. I suspect that a future draft would like to have a lot of 18-35 year old infrantry and a bunch of 35-50 years old doctors, engineers, communications, and comupter/networking experts.


I could see Bush pulling a draft myself. I don't think its a good idea. If you get a bunch of war hating/military hating people in the military that don't support the cause then thats worse. Take for instance the Soldier tht threw a grenade in his own unit's tent..killing several other Soldiers, all because he had recently converted to Muslim and didn't support the war and didn't want to be there. Well he's no longer there of course but I think has a death sentence to look forard to.

What would terrorists have to do to make you support the war on terror, or possibly even enlist in the armed services to fight terrorists? Not too much!!



If a draft comes and you are selected, would you serve or run? I'd be smart enough to see it coming and enlist before the draft came up and anti up on a sweet bonus :P
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From:notsuchapatriot
Date:July 7th, 2005 10:40 pm (UTC)
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Good luck, the military is so strapped for cash that many jobs don't have bonuses any more except those that are severely under manned (ie INFANTRY! w00t!) best bet is to enlist and get a job that you'll be able to tolerate.
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From:believe_in_me
Date:July 7th, 2005 11:47 pm (UTC)
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The only job I'd take has a bonus though, but you're right.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:July 7th, 2005 11:55 pm (UTC)
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What job is that?
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From:believe_in_me
Date:July 8th, 2005 12:17 am (UTC)
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Band apprentice lol but supposedly its being fazed out.
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From:notsuchapatriot
Date:July 7th, 2005 11:57 pm (UTC)
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Sorry, that was me, forgot to log in.
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From:supergirl_04
Date:July 7th, 2005 06:30 pm (UTC)
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Shortly after 9-11, I was certain we'd never go back to a draft, because there was so much patriotism; however, with as much as people hate Bush, I'm not so certain now.

The draft would definitely have to be different; but you missed a dynamic. Would a draft also include women? There's been alot of celebration of women in the military in this country.

And if it did - wow, I thought I had a clear answer with regard to whether I'd serve, but the more I think about it - the more I think about the fact that this is a real never-ending atrocity. With two small children, I might be exempt; but if I were drafted and did not serve, it would have to be a political stand and not an excuse or flight to Canada.
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From:believe_in_me
Date:July 7th, 2005 06:38 pm (UTC)
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It should include women as well..but I don't know they'd do it for infantry though as there are no women in infantry now.
I doubt that having kids would make an exemption for parents, cause as it stands right now when there are two parents serving in the military they often both deploy at the same time and have to rely on family/etc. to take care of their kids.
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From:supergirl_04
Date:July 11th, 2005 06:32 am (UTC)
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hrm. you're probably correct.

I dont expect any draft suggestions anytime soon since that would be political suicide for the republicans.

But, it's been my experience with friends in the military, that if you have a child/ren with no other parent, there is room for exemption from service. I could be wrong. It's immaterial, really, I suppose.
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From:justmadabout
Date:July 7th, 2005 07:20 pm (UTC)
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given that apparently 16% of the troops serving in iraq are obese, the second question might be overlooked.

i would run right on back to australia.
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From:girl_on_a_stick
Date:July 7th, 2005 08:11 pm (UTC)
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Run.

I'd absolutely fight for something I believed in, but this is not one of them.
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From:sio
Date:July 7th, 2005 08:18 pm (UTC)
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i'd be out of here.

i have a better solution. send all the idiots on death row to go to Iraq. if they get killed by those fuckfreak terrorists, it's not as big of a loss as it is to lose honest, law abiding citizens.
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From:believe_in_me
Date:July 7th, 2005 08:34 pm (UTC)
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That works too.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:July 7th, 2005 11:31 pm (UTC)
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If you're gonna send lifers, I'd also say you send any tool who has more than one of those magnetic ribbons on the back of their damned car. heh. -l
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From:believe_in_me
Date:July 7th, 2005 11:50 pm (UTC)
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Condsidering I have two of those ribbons I assume I would be one of those 'tools' you are talking about. But I guess because I support the troops then I am for this war too.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:July 11th, 2005 06:37 am (UTC)
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In disagreement with our currecnt "correctional" system (although I dont have a better solution), I am hugely in favor of this idea. Why not make our prisoners fight for the freedoms that allowed them to commit the crimes they did?

And this is BY NO MEANS in anyway meant to disregard the troops that are over there sacrificing themselves and their families.

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From:aaangyl
Date:July 7th, 2005 08:40 pm (UTC)
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It's a cop-out, but I must admit I'm SO GLAD to be almost 30 right now so I don't really have to think about that.
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From:adameros
Date:July 7th, 2005 09:01 pm (UTC)
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I thought they extended the draftable age to 34...

But, like I said before, I would not be suprised if they did something like in prior wars when the draft age didn't matter if you had a skill see they needed, like doctors. Given the hi-tech nature of todays military, I would not be suprised if they did something similiar with people with networking (wired and wireless) and computer (hardware and software) system administration skills.

Ready to debug a field commanders wifi set up in the middle of a fire fight?
From:(Anonymous)
Date:July 11th, 2005 06:40 am (UTC)
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I'm not so sure. I have a friend who entered the Marines after getting his masters in education, just precisely to be trained in IT. According to him, anyhow, there's plenty of resources (willing folks who think they'll never really have to go overseas. ha)

Eh, we'll see.
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From:notsuchapatriot
Date:July 7th, 2005 10:36 pm (UTC)
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Serve or run?! I'm already serving! And if I remember right, since I've put in my service (baring them calling me up within 2 years after I get out) I'm excluded from the draft. The terrorists didn't have to do anything though, but they have made my enlistment that much more of a pain in the ass.
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From:dk
Date:July 7th, 2005 10:50 pm (UTC)
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If a draft comes and you are selected, would you serve or run?

with a documented suicide attempt, i would thankfully be spared the choice. that's only a desirable trait for "the other side", i guess.

but to be honest, when i learned of this last night i _wanted_ to sign up.

a friend of a friend in london is now an orphan; and her parents had nothing to do with either g8 or the olympics (whichever this was about).

i have a smoldering hubris-like desire to exact vengeance on those who take the lives of innocents to send their political message. if i felt like i'd have the opportunity to do that, i'd be at the recruiter's office now.