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Mar. 24th, 2003 @ 02:52 pm (no subject)
I am courious what the break down of these polls that support the war are. What parts of the country. Who, what, and where they are asking. I find it hard to believe that of all the people I know, I can think of only two who favor the war. This spans an age range of 14 to 77, both genders, all sexual prefferences, all levels of education, and they are spread out over the nation. I mean, is FOX News going to Republican tea parties to conduct their survey's, or are they out asking random people on the street. It's had for me to believe that my expansive and all inclusive circles of friends would be so differing from what the media says the public opinion is.

While I doubt this would be done, but with carnivore installed on routers through out the country, it leads me to wonder, "Can Carnivore do more than just monitor traffic? Can it actually alter it?" We have a government that has lied to us repeatedly when citing "evidence" on why we should attack Iraq. Pretty much every report they have cite has been a forgery, non-existent, or they just lied about the contents. The CIA and the U.N. both have said that the Whitehouse is distorting facts to meet their own needs. So, now the government has backdoors to most of the routers in most of the isps in America. Would it be unbelievable for them to so a simple text replacement on specific URLs? It's a simple fast one line regular expression search and replace. Given the fact that the current administration has lied to the public, Congress, and everyone else with such ease, is it hard to believe they would doctor polls to make it look like the public supports their agenda? If they did, it would be beautiful, in that the government no long has to present a warrent to the ISP's when they monitor. The ISPs have no way of checking if or what the government is monitoring. And the news agencies would have no reason to doubt the data they are receiving, so when people question it, they could indignently state that they did not alter the polls. I really wish, after I voted, the cgi would repeat what I voted along with current totals.

I also wish to remind people that most polls can be easily scewed by individuals. Most polls don't bother limiting one vote per IP address as many ISP's use dynamic addressing, meaning what address a user has on one session could be very different from the ip they use later. That is why they usually lock the vote using cookies, but it is easy to erase the cookie and vote again. Or write a simple program that would keep revoting, and never storing the cookie (easily done in PERL). So, how do we trust the polls when someone could easily write a script that could do hundreds of votes a minute, and leave their program running all day and night? How are the pollster's verifying the accuracy of their polls, when they are conducted online?
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Date:March 24th, 2003 03:43 pm (UTC)
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Agreed. I have friends both Republican and Democrat, both Christian and not, both Pro-Bush and Anti-Bush, across age and geographic lines [around the world]. I can't believe the polls show as they do. I can only think of 2, maybe three people who are for the war.
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Date:March 26th, 2003 10:30 pm (UTC)
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location, location, and again, location. This will tell you a lot about the views of the people that you're looking at in terms of for/against.

Seattle, Southern Cali, those areas tend to be decidedly more liberal and more towards the anti-war side. However, the middle of the country, most of the south and even some of the eastern states are more conservative.

If you interviewed this town, you'd come up with funny results. I've met tons of people who thought lenin was a great dynamic leader (only 26 million soviet citizens murdered), people who think that jews weren't worth saving/etc weird shit.

then you get people who are against the war because their friends in the service might die (no-one wants that i'm pretty sure)

then you have the people who are just genuinely concerned, and non-nutty. Amazingly enough, the nuts from both sides normally get the polling questions, so i wouldn't worry too much.