That question stems from this conversation with an anonymous friend:
(14:35:35) XXX: i totally agree with what you said on LJ. Most people against abortion that i know of ARE men. doesn't something seem wrong about that? i mean, most women against abortion DO say that they'd like for other women to have the right, even if their personal religious beliefs are against it. so why do these men get to force their religion on others, when the women in these same religions would not wish it?!
(14:36:57) adameros: Not to sound like YYY, but it's the patriarchy trying to keep women under mens control. Pregency is being used as a means of control, and abortion is a means for women to escape that domination.
(14:39:36) XXX: that is definately true. but it is also the women's fault for not saying anything. in fact, it's the women who wouldn't have the abortions that should say something. the advice most listened to is advice that come from within the community. these women need to stand up for the rights of the women they disagree with, and say, that although they disagree, women still need to have abortion as a right.
(14:43:44) adameros: How do you get women to do that? I think most women are brain washed from birth with ideas of family roles and religion.
(14:45:41) adameros: http://www.livejournal.com/community/sos_usa/1168631.html
(14:46:01) XXX: Yes, they probably are. but nothing is going to change until they start thinking differently. but it is a slow process. that's why i think women's studies is such a pointless major, because it's trying to speed up something that is going to take decades.
(14:48:00) XXX: wow, did a guy actually post that?
(14:48:00) adameros: I think it is a slow process. Think of womens studies as boot camp for womens freedom fighters. They have a large, strong power to over throw, and unless they swell their ranks and have a continuous influx of new recruits, the movement will fail, and nothing will have changed, except even less freedoms for women.
(14:48:19) adameros: Yep. I think you would like the sos_usa community. :-)
(14:49:20) XXX: well the way i see it is that women's studies is strange because most people in the major would do the same field work if they were in any other major. it's sort of like preaching to the choir. unless outsiders are informed instead of the same old group of women's advocates, then nothing will change.
(14:51:10) adameros: Most womens studies majors are out trying to appostlize. Many work for or run womens clinics and are there to catch and help women hurt by men or the patriarchy.
(14:52:08) XXX: ugh, that term, "patriarchy" it's such an annoying word. i mean, the concept i agree with, but the word is so... pedantic.
(14:53:05) adameros: Well... This is a male dominated society, so it fits. What word would you preffer?
(14:53:13) adameros: The anti-matriarchy? ;)
(14:53:41) XXX: male dominated society works just fine.
(15:00:56) adameros: Mind if I quote this conversation in my journal?
(15:01:07) XXX logged out.
(15:01:17) XXX logged in.
(15:01:29) adameros: Mind if I quote this conversation in my journal?
(15:01:37) XXX: why?
(15:01:48) XXX: don't...
(15:02:00) XXX: it wasn't exactly well thoughtout
(15:02:13) adameros: I was going to use it as a jumping point to ask others their opinion on the state of womens rights in the U.S. today.
(15:02:22) adameros: I can hide your name....
(15:03:05) XXX: sure, hide my name
(15:03:11) XXX: or say, a person...
(15:03:12) adameros: Thanks! :-)
(15:05:51) XXX: yer welcome
So, what is the state of womens rights in America?